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absolutefucker: Hate to be a stick in the mud, but I have to dispute this as...

absolutefucker:

Hate to be a stick in the mud, but I have to dispute this as insufficient sourcing. At this point, I’m more interested in this because of the alleged distinction being included at the Tuna article, too (where I’ll also raise this issue) than as an example at Pleonasm in a section that is about 90% original research anyway. I’m not sure it’s all that useful an example of anything because, while not ultra-rare, it is a sporadically occurring colloquialism, and more importantly because (as I show below) there’s hints that people who sometimes use “tuna fish” do not do so consistently, and even more evidence that some of those who do use it, use it in reference to the live animal (“also”, or “only” isn’t clear). If it’s taken this long to find even one dictionary-type source at all, that’s obvious evidence far from universal. It may not even be common any longer except perhaps among subsets of people. (But is it an age bracket? People from land-locked areas? Posts above indicate it has nothing to do with US vs. UK English, and everyone at least recognizes the phrase, or the Unix joke above wouldn’t work). I’m 43, I’ve lived in three English-speaking countries and five US states on both coasts and in the middle away from water, and I’ve never seen or heard anyone clearly make this distinction. The best I can confirm anecdotally is that I have heard people say “tunafish” (it always sounded like one word when I heard it), and as far as I can recall it was always in reference to food, including cat food, but it was always (AFAICR) in the [American] South and Southwest, far from anywhere there would be live tuna to refer to, so that could easily be false correlation.

“Tuna” without “fish” is used in both food and live-animal cases in every tuna-related context I can find, from canned fish (smoking gun evidence opportunity - find even one brand that says “tuna fish”!), to mixed products containing tuna, to fishing charter sites, to sea life sites, and so on. I cannot find a single tuna-bearing product that says it has “tuna fish” in it, not even cat food.

Interestingly, I did find “All About Tuna Fish”, a self-published pet food FAQ, but the name of the document is actually “all_about_tuna.PDF”, without “fish”, so even some people who use “tuna fish”, and use it in reference to food do so inconsistently. While it’s just one document, it’s worth looking at. It veers all over the place between “tuna” and “tuna fish”, including “canned tuna” without the “fish”.

More importantly, here is “tuna fish” in reference to the live animal (it turned up when I Googled “all about tuna fish” to find the above PDF again). I decided to just Google “tuna fish” without quotes: Some of the front-page results are for the live fish, including all four of the top image results, and the top YouTube result. Googling that phrase with quotation marks around it to limit the results more sharply still produced the same outcome.

The upshot being I think there’s not enough evidence that “tuna fish” is used consistently in any particular dialect, register, age bracket, context, or any other definable subset at all (and we have no source that it does), much less only to mean food, even less only to mean canned food, even if this might once have been true enough to be reported in one (and only one?) dictionary as a predicable distinction. Google turns up lots of evidence to the contrary. I.e., the one dictionary source is demonstrably not reliable in this case (probably because of limited data collection combined with age). The only conclusion that I can come to is that “tuna fish” is today like “puppy dog”, “kitty cat”, “pick-up truck” and “taxi cab” – it’s just something pleonastic that some people say and others don’t. “Puppy dog” and “kitty cat”, originating from pleonasm applied to “puppy” and “kitten”, are similarly inconsistent, in that people who use these phrases do not always use them, and do not reliably use them to only refer to something specific (here, juvenile pets - the terms are often applied to adult animals, just as we see “tuna fish” being applied to the fish as animals instead of food). With regard to your having added “tuna fish” and the same source to the Tuna article, where I’ve also disputed it (and removed the dialectal claim, since the source doesn’t support it), I have to note that neither the Dog nor Cat articles mention “puppy dog” and “kitty cat”.

Using “tuna fish” as an example of standard English idiom like “safe haven” pushes the issue even farther, and it isn’t supported by the dictionary source, even if that source were reliable on this and we didn’t have evidence of wildly inconsistent usage. The phrase survives at all only because older family members, who picked it up from even older ones (back to ca. 1881, when the word entered English from Spanish, according to the dictionary) from inland areas not used to various kinds of fish being readily available in the olden days, have passed it on to current generations, who move around in motor vehicles and thus make it hard to pinpoint exactly where it started. It’s just like “tin foil” for “aluminum foil” (I say “tin foil” all the time myself for this got-it-from-the-parents reason, even though it was supplanted by aluminum foil before I was born). It’s an unconscious language habit that will die off. While I have no doubt that some individuals, even entire families of them, actually do limit the phrase to canned tuna, well, so what? That’s not encyclopedic, even if an outdated dictionary also records the bare fact that the usage exists, but provides no context for that observation.

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is there such a thing as an april fools’ rec

theatheneum:

SUMMARY: Hi, my name is Eridan Ampora, and I was haunted by the ghost of my dead best friend for a month. I’ve done a lot of things I’m not particularly proud of and a lot more things I’m outright ashamed of. This is the story of how I redeemed myself. Don’t worry, this one has a happy ending. Sort of.

EXCERPT: I think it was my fault that Fef died. I’m going to go to my grave believing that, probably. Whenever I tell people I blame myself, they always jump to my defense and try to reassure me with stuff like, “But Eri, you were just a kid!” “But Eri, you couldn’t have known it’d happen!” And I think that’s total one-hundred percent bullshit. I was an awful person, no matter if I was two or twenty-two. And either way, just because I didn’t know that the accident would happen, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t my fault.

Wow, I am an absolute shit story teller. Let’s try this again.

Hi, my name is Eridan Ampora, and in case I haven’t rambled enough up there for you to pick it up, let me make my crime clear. I am directly responsible for the death of the light of my life.

Fef was my first, last, and only friend. After she died, I just became more and more bitter and hateful and angry. I never forgot her, I never forgave myself, and I never got close to anyone else after she was gone.

And that self-destructive path is probably what made her come back.

WHY YOU SHOULD READ THIS: Absolute best characterization I have seen of Eridan so far; it’s very promising. Definitely one to keep tabs on because I’m expecting it to contain great character development.

rec’d by 3vad127

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ascendent:

orbsteeb:

you open a website and a snowball hits you in the fucking face. welcome to the winternet, asshole

“what do you do with a computer when it’s cold outside? use the winternet!!” - literally my first joke, at age 5

you knew what the internet was when you were 5

when i was 5 HTML hadn’t even been invented

ooold

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I AM CURIOUS THOUGH

vastderp:

what is the rubric for evaluating a “hate” post that must be tagged?

Obviously you’ve got your “X IS A SHITTY CHARACTER HAHAHAHAHA THUG LYFE” and your “GOD I HATE X” posts, but beyond the obvious nose-thumbing, how does the Tumblr Community tell the difference between a post that has negative emotions attached to it, and “hate”?

If 40% of concerned parties see a difference between the latter two,  I’ll eat this fashionable pair of three dollar sunglasses.

i suspect they mean “presentation as less than entirely positive”

as in, if you describe something as in some way bad, you are Hating it. it’s a childish view of the world espoused mainly by game journalists and brand management executives.

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the adria richards firing makes me so fucking angry

the bare fact that she was fired, okay, you could write that off as one of the shitvagaries of capital - a soulless corporate whatever deciding that they have to avoid bad PR at any human cost - but no, this goes beyond. there are thousands of people willing to use their own real names and identities in public spaces to eagerly ENDORSE the firing. they’re straight-up gleeful about the termination of someone for what they perceive as excessive feminism.

some of the most bizarre rhetoric is being used.. people keep talking about how she “got a father fired”, this literal patriarchal pearl-clutching. it’d be completely insane on its own merits, and then of course there’s the fact that she never called for or expected anyone to be fired!

then there’s the “reverse racism” accusations.. disgusting. just scads (scats? is that the more appropriate plural?) of internet trolls smugly burbling that they saw a tweet saying black people weren’t racist, which is itself, racist. what the FUCK. and the fucking libertarian nonsense that surrounds the whole thing where people are like You Have Lost My Business Good Sirs, Try To Compete In A Marketplace Now. what ARGH. what. 

i don’t need to say anything about the MANY PUBLIC THREATS OF DEATH AND RAPE except that they exist.

fundamentally here’s what happened: a woman at a tech conference called out an anti-woman atmosphere - which, as we all fucking know, does indeed pervade the industry. shitloads of men have decided to prove her absolutely, terrifyingly correct.

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